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		<title>By: Parking &#38; Bikes &#38; Bike Parking: Gary Rides Bikes &#124; Bikeside LA</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-3310</link>
		<dc:creator>Parking &#38; Bikes &#38; Bike Parking: Gary Rides Bikes &#124; Bikeside LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 03:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tough about funding cycling programs, physical or otherwise.  Unless you&#8217;re talking about a $30 million, 2 mile Bike Path to Nowhere; if we support obscenely expensive projects like the Bike Path to Nowhere, supporting cycling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tough about funding cycling programs, physical or otherwise.  Unless you&#8217;re talking about a $30 million, 2 mile Bike Path to Nowhere; if we support obscenely expensive projects like the Bike Path to Nowhere, supporting cycling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A brief bit of news, and hot bike links for a warm L.A. weekend &#171; BikingInLA</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2826</link>
		<dc:creator>A brief bit of news, and hot bike links for a warm L.A. weekend &#171; BikingInLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first, one bit of news. The hotly debated motion to support extending the Marvin Braude Bike Path nearly two miles north to the border with the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2825</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jo!  I&#039;m catching some flak for my position on this one, so it&#039;s nice that you appreciate the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jo!  I&#8217;m catching some flak for my position on this one, so it&#8217;s nice that you appreciate the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2824</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s cool that you are willing to dig through all the red tape with the city and clearly let people know where their money might be going and why - regardless of each persons take on the issue it is important to know what is going on first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s cool that you are willing to dig through all the red tape with the city and clearly let people know where their money might be going and why &#8211; regardless of each persons take on the issue it is important to know what is going on first.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihai</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2823</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, all this financial talk is making my head spin.  The &quot;burning funding money before it expires&quot; mentality sure does sound familiar, it&#039;s a very American concept indeed and it seems to happen in academia, public and private sectors.  I think I understand where Ted and Mr Asphalt_Jesus are coming from...  It&#039;s a shame that this 30 million dollar proposal  seems to cater more to our tourists and weekend warriors than to our average joes that commute on a daily basis.  BUT, If we _absolutely_ can&#039;t convince them to put the money towards more common sense bike projects, I guess I&#039;ll take a 2 mile scenic extension that I&#039;ll ride maybe once a month.  Better than nothing.

But honestly, it&#039;s almost as if public officials don&#039;t have this sense of urgency.  The urgency of hit and runs, the urgency of laziness that causes everyone to drive 1 mile to the grocery store, the urgency of the fact that if we keep widening the frickin&#039; roads and highways we won&#039;t have any more room for outdoor public space.

LA 30 yrs from now - no sidewalks, you can just step out of your front door, and you&#039;ll be right next to your car.  Literally, you&#039;ll be able to take one step onto solid ground, then hop into your car.  From the couch to your car, and viceversa.  Air conditioning, reality shows, and foosball.  Who needs the great outdoors?  The Planet isn&#039;t entertaining enough!!  More TV shows!!

I*&amp;#$(&amp;@#($(@@#*** !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, all this financial talk is making my head spin.  The &#8220;burning funding money before it expires&#8221; mentality sure does sound familiar, it&#8217;s a very American concept indeed and it seems to happen in academia, public and private sectors.  I think I understand where Ted and Mr Asphalt_Jesus are coming from&#8230;  It&#8217;s a shame that this 30 million dollar proposal  seems to cater more to our tourists and weekend warriors than to our average joes that commute on a daily basis.  BUT, If we _absolutely_ can&#8217;t convince them to put the money towards more common sense bike projects, I guess I&#8217;ll take a 2 mile scenic extension that I&#8217;ll ride maybe once a month.  Better than nothing.</p>
<p>But honestly, it&#8217;s almost as if public officials don&#8217;t have this sense of urgency.  The urgency of hit and runs, the urgency of laziness that causes everyone to drive 1 mile to the grocery store, the urgency of the fact that if we keep widening the frickin&#8217; roads and highways we won&#8217;t have any more room for outdoor public space.</p>
<p>LA 30 yrs from now &#8211; no sidewalks, you can just step out of your front door, and you&#8217;ll be right next to your car.  Literally, you&#8217;ll be able to take one step onto solid ground, then hop into your car.  From the couch to your car, and viceversa.  Air conditioning, reality shows, and foosball.  Who needs the great outdoors?  The Planet isn&#8217;t entertaining enough!!  More TV shows!!</p>
<p>I*&amp;#$(&amp;@#($(@@#*** !!!</p>
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		<title>By: asphalt_jesus</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2822</link>
		<dc:creator>asphalt_jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be much easier to land the $30 Million for a new place voters/campaign contributors can play with their bicycles. (as toys) Bicycles as transportation has the stench of European Socialism and Third World Poverty in American political culture.

The mentality that&#039;s working against your small project cost is &#039;real&#039; transportation projects are for cars, buses, and trains and value into the billions.  The contractors for these projects have more money to spend to ensure they have a steady stream of projects too.  &#039;Go big or go home&#039; mentality applies.

A few million to restripe streets in the districts with the least political contributors and small-time (if any) contractors keeping the project alive with the likely outcome being turning a bunch of car-centric voters into raging TEA-baggers is another reason why no one will touch such a fiscally responsible project.

You will have more luck selling cycling-friendly projects this way:
-Get the National Association of Realtors behind you with the rationale that cycling friendly streets increase neighborhood valuations.  They have millions to of dollars with which they lobby. Maybe you can ride on their coattails in exchange for green-wrapping the NAR?
-Create a *massive* cycling project with the mindset that &#039;bikes are toys&#039; so you can get contractors on your side and not violate common American sense.

You aren&#039;t thinking big enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be much easier to land the $30 Million for a new place voters/campaign contributors can play with their bicycles. (as toys) Bicycles as transportation has the stench of European Socialism and Third World Poverty in American political culture.</p>
<p>The mentality that&#8217;s working against your small project cost is &#8216;real&#8217; transportation projects are for cars, buses, and trains and value into the billions.  The contractors for these projects have more money to spend to ensure they have a steady stream of projects too.  &#8216;Go big or go home&#8217; mentality applies.</p>
<p>A few million to restripe streets in the districts with the least political contributors and small-time (if any) contractors keeping the project alive with the likely outcome being turning a bunch of car-centric voters into raging TEA-baggers is another reason why no one will touch such a fiscally responsible project.</p>
<p>You will have more luck selling cycling-friendly projects this way:<br />
-Get the National Association of Realtors behind you with the rationale that cycling friendly streets increase neighborhood valuations.  They have millions to of dollars with which they lobby. Maybe you can ride on their coattails in exchange for green-wrapping the NAR?<br />
-Create a *massive* cycling project with the mindset that &#8216;bikes are toys&#8217; so you can get contractors on your side and not violate common American sense.</p>
<p>You aren&#8217;t thinking big enough.</p>
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		<title>By: soapboxla</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2821</link>
		<dc:creator>soapboxla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin Braude Bike Path advocates: Allow me to interject a simple request. Find out where the money is coming from and drop the speculation. Somebody applied for and then spent $750K on the design/planning of a project that is now estimated to cost $30 million. Now Senator Fran Pavley is joined by Councilmembers Rosendahl and Koretz in endorsing the pursuit of this $30 million.

Any support should start with some simple information.

Where is the money going to come from? (Don&#039;t speculate or guess, simply start with facts and then use them as a foundation for opinion)

Is this the only potential use for the &quot;mystery funds&quot; or are there other opportunities to spend it? (facts, not speculation or hypothetical)

If the cycling community gets a $30 million, 1.9 mile extension on the Marvin Braude Bike Path, does this have an impact on our perceived need in other funding requests. (ie., But you just got $30 million last week, now you want funding so you can ride across town?)

If this $30 million bike path extension of 1.9 miles were to be funded, what signal would it send regarding our ability to function with fiscal responsibility. Don&#039;t look to the excesses of others to justify our behavior, nor to the behavior of others to justify the &quot;looting&quot; but simply help me understand how the City of Los Angeles can stand proud in the face of bankruptcy and say &quot;We operate this city with a commitment to financial responsibility and accountability.&quot;

All things considered, position this in the priorities of the cycling community and in the larger priorities of the City of Los Angeles. We&#039;re not getting it done as we speak, is it a wise investment of our time to debate/pursue the Marvin Braude extension as LA fumbles in the middle of a Budget Crisis of Biblical proportions and the City of LA fumbles its relationship with the cycling community.

What are our priorities? Is this on the list?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin Braude Bike Path advocates: Allow me to interject a simple request. Find out where the money is coming from and drop the speculation. Somebody applied for and then spent $750K on the design/planning of a project that is now estimated to cost $30 million. Now Senator Fran Pavley is joined by Councilmembers Rosendahl and Koretz in endorsing the pursuit of this $30 million.</p>
<p>Any support should start with some simple information.</p>
<p>Where is the money going to come from? (Don&#8217;t speculate or guess, simply start with facts and then use them as a foundation for opinion)</p>
<p>Is this the only potential use for the &#8220;mystery funds&#8221; or are there other opportunities to spend it? (facts, not speculation or hypothetical)</p>
<p>If the cycling community gets a $30 million, 1.9 mile extension on the Marvin Braude Bike Path, does this have an impact on our perceived need in other funding requests. (ie., But you just got $30 million last week, now you want funding so you can ride across town?)</p>
<p>If this $30 million bike path extension of 1.9 miles were to be funded, what signal would it send regarding our ability to function with fiscal responsibility. Don&#8217;t look to the excesses of others to justify our behavior, nor to the behavior of others to justify the &#8220;looting&#8221; but simply help me understand how the City of Los Angeles can stand proud in the face of bankruptcy and say &#8220;We operate this city with a commitment to financial responsibility and accountability.&#8221;</p>
<p>All things considered, position this in the priorities of the cycling community and in the larger priorities of the City of Los Angeles. We&#8217;re not getting it done as we speak, is it a wise investment of our time to debate/pursue the Marvin Braude extension as LA fumbles in the middle of a Budget Crisis of Biblical proportions and the City of LA fumbles its relationship with the cycling community.</p>
<p>What are our priorities? Is this on the list?</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2820</link>
		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t argue with you about watching budgets. You&#039;re right, of course; where we differ is you&#039;re comparing the cost of the extension to the cost of bike lanes, which makes it seem outrageously expensive, while I&#039;m comparing it to the cost of other infrastructure projects, which makes it insignificant. And I do think that from Washington&#039;s perspective, this is a drop in the bucket — though perhaps it shouldn&#039;t be.

However, over the years, we have repeatedly seen funds that could have been available to the city and state go to waste simply because no one asked for them. And oddly, I&#039;ve seen projects get turned down by the feds because they didn&#039;t cost enough. Crazy world, I know, but that&#039;s the one we live in. So I&#039;m a firm believer in asking; if they say no, we&#039;re no worse off than we were before.

And the GOP reference was purely intentional. Cruel, I know; but still...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t argue with you about watching budgets. You&#8217;re right, of course; where we differ is you&#8217;re comparing the cost of the extension to the cost of bike lanes, which makes it seem outrageously expensive, while I&#8217;m comparing it to the cost of other infrastructure projects, which makes it insignificant. And I do think that from Washington&#8217;s perspective, this is a drop in the bucket — though perhaps it shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>However, over the years, we have repeatedly seen funds that could have been available to the city and state go to waste simply because no one asked for them. And oddly, I&#8217;ve seen projects get turned down by the feds because they didn&#8217;t cost enough. Crazy world, I know, but that&#8217;s the one we live in. So I&#8217;m a firm believer in asking; if they say no, we&#8217;re no worse off than we were before.</p>
<p>And the GOP reference was purely intentional. Cruel, I know; but still&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2819</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new approach - I appreciate your innovation.  Watch the GOP comparisons though!

I don&#039;t have the expertise to evaluate any of those.  Light rail does seem to be more cost effective, and my friend Ken Alpern is kicking ass by getting it done all over the city.  I definitely support him, and he&#039;s shrewd about costs.

Any roadway widening is idiotic, so that&#039;s my position on the 405.  Putting light rail down the center of the 405 seems like a good project . . .

Look, right now one of the huge advantages cyclists have is that we are an extremely cost effective solution to transportation problems.  We&#039;re practically invisible from a budgetary standpoint, which is why one of Mowery&#039;s best ways to shut us down is to complain of &quot;political infeasibility&quot;, because she can&#039;t really talk about costs (except when she builds the LA River Path at $2 million/mile.)  If we start having a big budget impact, well we lose that advantage, and we will have that much harder of a problem getting infrastructure built.

We&#039;ve got huge budget problems at every level of gov&#039;t - everyone should be a budget hawk when it comes to low return on investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new approach &#8211; I appreciate your innovation.  Watch the GOP comparisons though!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the expertise to evaluate any of those.  Light rail does seem to be more cost effective, and my friend Ken Alpern is kicking ass by getting it done all over the city.  I definitely support him, and he&#8217;s shrewd about costs.</p>
<p>Any roadway widening is idiotic, so that&#8217;s my position on the 405.  Putting light rail down the center of the 405 seems like a good project . . .</p>
<p>Look, right now one of the huge advantages cyclists have is that we are an extremely cost effective solution to transportation problems.  We&#8217;re practically invisible from a budgetary standpoint, which is why one of Mowery&#8217;s best ways to shut us down is to complain of &#8220;political infeasibility&#8221;, because she can&#8217;t really talk about costs (except when she builds the LA River Path at $2 million/mile.)  If we start having a big budget impact, well we lose that advantage, and we will have that much harder of a problem getting infrastructure built.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got huge budget problems at every level of gov&#8217;t &#8211; everyone should be a budget hawk when it comes to low return on investment.</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/the-bike-path-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2818</link>
		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I disagree with you about extending this bikeway, I do applaud your sense of fiscal responsibility. Who would have thought that you would turn out to be a budget-hawk like John McCain?

I take it then that you also oppose building the Subway to the Sea, since it would cost billions — not millions — more than building it above grade.  The money saved would be more than enough to build out every proposed bikeway in the city, and still turn Wilshire into the city&#039;s first coast-to-Downtown bicycle boulevard.

And like me, you undoubtedly consider the $450 currently being spend to add a car pool lane over Sepulveda pass — at a cost of $45 million a mile — a waste, and have urged that the work be immediately halted in favor of a dedicated busway over the pass, which would move more people far more efficiently and affordably for decades to come.

Or is it only relatively extravagant bikeways you oppose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I disagree with you about extending this bikeway, I do applaud your sense of fiscal responsibility. Who would have thought that you would turn out to be a budget-hawk like John McCain?</p>
<p>I take it then that you also oppose building the Subway to the Sea, since it would cost billions — not millions — more than building it above grade.  The money saved would be more than enough to build out every proposed bikeway in the city, and still turn Wilshire into the city&#8217;s first coast-to-Downtown bicycle boulevard.</p>
<p>And like me, you undoubtedly consider the $450 currently being spend to add a car pool lane over Sepulveda pass — at a cost of $45 million a mile — a waste, and have urged that the work be immediately halted in favor of a dedicated busway over the pass, which would move more people far more efficiently and affordably for decades to come.</p>
<p>Or is it only relatively extravagant bikeways you oppose?</p>
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