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	<title>Comments on: Breaking the Law!  Riding in Manhattan.</title>
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		<title>By: BothCoasts</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/breaking-the-law-riding-in-manhattan/comment-page-1/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>BothCoasts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a sobering picture of Biking and the Law in NYC, ask someone about the RNC.   They have shittier roads and its harder to work up a fast ride in NY. But they have the enormous advantage of public understanding.  Where as it seems every motorist in L.A. feels its thier civic responsibilty to run you off the road, heckle you, and or run you over completley. ALso I think LA riders are in much better shape.  I cant see anyone in NY pulling off the hills in Elysian to the beach in one ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a sobering picture of Biking and the Law in NYC, ask someone about the RNC.   They have shittier roads and its harder to work up a fast ride in NY. But they have the enormous advantage of public understanding.  Where as it seems every motorist in L.A. feels its thier civic responsibilty to run you off the road, heckle you, and or run you over completley. ALso I think LA riders are in much better shape.  I cant see anyone in NY pulling off the hills in Elysian to the beach in one ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bombing through the streets of Manhattan was the most fun I have had in the saddle in a long time.  For those who ride bikes for the sheer adrenaline rush, this is something to be experiences.

By the way, a brief look at Bike Kill &lt;a href=&quot;http://msstephanie.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/bike-kill-666/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;.  More in-depth blog about it to come after I have finally processed it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bombing through the streets of Manhattan was the most fun I have had in the saddle in a long time.  For those who ride bikes for the sheer adrenaline rush, this is something to be experiences.</p>
<p>By the way, a brief look at Bike Kill <a href="http://msstephanie.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/bike-kill-666/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.  More in-depth blog about it to come after I have finally processed it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Mihai, I feel as if people are far more alert her - riders and non riders.  Last night at the end of Halloween we set up an L shaped couch in the middle of a deserted intersection in Brooklyn and had a spontaneous couch party with passersby.  Those few motorists that did come through noticed us and drove around.  In LA I expect 1 in 50 would have been busy texting and just plowed into the couch.

An interesting thing happened to me at NY Critical Mass last night.  The police started enforcing the law.  I&#039;ve run reds in front of police a few times already, and I&#039;ve watched hundreds of other anonymous cyclists do it.  But as soon as it was a coordinated, and likely safer, group activity, the police put a stop to it.

I got a ticket!  NYC stripes baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Mihai, I feel as if people are far more alert her &#8211; riders and non riders.  Last night at the end of Halloween we set up an L shaped couch in the middle of a deserted intersection in Brooklyn and had a spontaneous couch party with passersby.  Those few motorists that did come through noticed us and drove around.  In LA I expect 1 in 50 would have been busy texting and just plowed into the couch.</p>
<p>An interesting thing happened to me at NY Critical Mass last night.  The police started enforcing the law.  I&#8217;ve run reds in front of police a few times already, and I&#8217;ve watched hundreds of other anonymous cyclists do it.  But as soon as it was a coordinated, and likely safer, group activity, the police put a stop to it.</p>
<p>I got a ticket!  NYC stripes baby.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New York is closer to a videogame than LA, that&#039;s for damn sure.  It definitely is a different mentality as soon as you get in the saddle. I once was riding on a questionable rented Cannondale for a day, with a bottommed out front shock and no helmet (that costs extra), and I instantly felt like my survival instincts kicked up a notch.  Riding on one way streets in NYC confused the bejesus out of me.  Lots of delivery dudes balancing pizzas on their handlebars coming right at me.  I was dodging more cyclists than cars.

The traffic there does clear up a bit by nighttime, riding through the streets of Manhattan at night is a beautiful thing.  I would gladly pay a toll to get on the Williamsburg bridge every time...

Riding in NYC over the summer made me appreciate the nice straight bike lanes in LA.  It&#039;s pretty obvious that one of the biggest challenges is ensuring cyclists&#039; safety near turns or intersections.  I haven&#039;t been to Western Europe yet, and I have to see a North American city with bike boxes.  I hope all this fancy LUCE planning in Santa Monica gets it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New York is closer to a videogame than LA, that&#8217;s for damn sure.  It definitely is a different mentality as soon as you get in the saddle. I once was riding on a questionable rented Cannondale for a day, with a bottommed out front shock and no helmet (that costs extra), and I instantly felt like my survival instincts kicked up a notch.  Riding on one way streets in NYC confused the bejesus out of me.  Lots of delivery dudes balancing pizzas on their handlebars coming right at me.  I was dodging more cyclists than cars.</p>
<p>The traffic there does clear up a bit by nighttime, riding through the streets of Manhattan at night is a beautiful thing.  I would gladly pay a toll to get on the Williamsburg bridge every time&#8230;</p>
<p>Riding in NYC over the summer made me appreciate the nice straight bike lanes in LA.  It&#8217;s pretty obvious that one of the biggest challenges is ensuring cyclists&#8217; safety near turns or intersections.  I haven&#8217;t been to Western Europe yet, and I have to see a North American city with bike boxes.  I hope all this fancy LUCE planning in Santa Monica gets it right.</p>
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		<title>By: bringing a couple of things together &#171; los angeles rides</title>
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		<dc:creator>bringing a couple of things together &#171; los angeles rides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment &#187;  Alex of WestsideBIKEside just made it back from New York, and he has a new post up talking about his experiences riding in New York. Reflecting on the fact that New Yorkers seem to break the law at will, he writes, &#8220;That’s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Roadblock

TREX was defeated, I&#039;ll admit.  But pwned?  A defeat of epic proportions?  Hardly.  TREX lives to fight another day!

@Timur

Kind of an aside - I sat down with Noah Budnick from Transportation Alternatives yesterday and one thing he related was that New Yorkers have the longest commute times in the country.  So even though they have excellent public transit, the way they&#039;re using it, or perhaps the fact that they&#039;re right at it&#039;s capacity, means they still spend a lot of time commuting.  Noah said that a famous transit advocate, when this commute time fact is mentioned, habitually replies that &quot;New Yorkers read a lot.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Roadblock</p>
<p>TREX was defeated, I&#8217;ll admit.  But pwned?  A defeat of epic proportions?  Hardly.  TREX lives to fight another day!</p>
<p>@Timur</p>
<p>Kind of an aside &#8211; I sat down with Noah Budnick from Transportation Alternatives yesterday and one thing he related was that New Yorkers have the longest commute times in the country.  So even though they have excellent public transit, the way they&#8217;re using it, or perhaps the fact that they&#8217;re right at it&#8217;s capacity, means they still spend a lot of time commuting.  Noah said that a famous transit advocate, when this commute time fact is mentioned, habitually replies that &#8220;New Yorkers read a lot.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: timur</title>
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		<dc:creator>timur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, great stories from NYC. This was a great passage:

It’s actually very reasonable.  Traffic laws are conventions we agree upon so that we can travel about safely and not smush each other.  Los Angelinos often seem to think that if they follow the law, it doesn’t matter if they are unsafe road users.  New Yorkers flip it, not really caring what you do, as long as you behave intelligently and safely.  I think this more practical attitude is the reason that NYC can function, and remain a safe place to live.

With your earlier comment about vehicle speeds, I think you&#039;re getting at something really interesting (and ultimately, kind of frustrating) about Los Angeles. So much of our infrastructure is built around this myth of speed: That everywhere, traffic permitting, can be 20 minutes away. The way our roads are built is with an eye towards uninterrupted flow of traffic. Efficiency. And we really tend to take it all for granted. What you found in New York, I think, is a city in which people know that traffic will not be fast. It can&#039;t be. It&#039;d be great to do some sort of comparison mapping to figure out the relative densities of New York and Los Angeles traffic, the number of people - using all sorts of transportation - per block...

All a bit far afield, but nice work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, great stories from NYC. This was a great passage:</p>
<p>It’s actually very reasonable.  Traffic laws are conventions we agree upon so that we can travel about safely and not smush each other.  Los Angelinos often seem to think that if they follow the law, it doesn’t matter if they are unsafe road users.  New Yorkers flip it, not really caring what you do, as long as you behave intelligently and safely.  I think this more practical attitude is the reason that NYC can function, and remain a safe place to live.</p>
<p>With your earlier comment about vehicle speeds, I think you&#8217;re getting at something really interesting (and ultimately, kind of frustrating) about Los Angeles. So much of our infrastructure is built around this myth of speed: That everywhere, traffic permitting, can be 20 minutes away. The way our roads are built is with an eye towards uninterrupted flow of traffic. Efficiency. And we really tend to take it all for granted. What you found in New York, I think, is a city in which people know that traffic will not be fast. It can&#8217;t be. It&#8217;d be great to do some sort of comparison mapping to figure out the relative densities of New York and Los Angeles traffic, the number of people &#8211; using all sorts of transportation &#8211; per block&#8230;</p>
<p>All a bit far afield, but nice work.</p>
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		<title>By: rhode</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you forgot one critical fact in this wonderful essay. the big T-REX got p0wn3d by monster masher Roadblock in all this manhattan madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you forgot one critical fact in this wonderful essay. the big T-REX got p0wn3d by monster masher Roadblock in all this manhattan madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Today’s ride, in which I find my happy place &#171; BikingInLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Today’s ride, in which I find my happy place &#171; BikingInLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Will recap the first tour de Ballona, while Gary and Alex travel to New York for Bike Kill 666, where Alex revels in being a scofflaw while Gary contemplates [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - let&#039;s make them ride NYC alleycats and only the top placers get the job.

Man, I got super sick and my NYC exploits now consist of laying in bed for 15 hours at a time.  Microbes - damn you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; let&#8217;s make them ride NYC alleycats and only the top placers get the job.</p>
<p>Man, I got super sick and my NYC exploits now consist of laying in bed for 15 hours at a time.  Microbes &#8211; damn you.</p>
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		<title>By: SoapBoxLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoapBoxLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Perhaps all LA DOT Bikeways staff should be sent on a &quot;Bike Tour of Duty&quot; in Ny before they&#039;re allowed to start posting the little green Bike route signs .

It was great to follow your exploits, I look forward to the full Director&#039;s Cut version of &quot;Midnight Ridazz - In for the BikeKill!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Perhaps all LA DOT Bikeways staff should be sent on a &#8220;Bike Tour of Duty&#8221; in Ny before they&#8217;re allowed to start posting the little green Bike route signs .</p>
<p>It was great to follow your exploits, I look forward to the full Director&#8217;s Cut version of &#8220;Midnight Ridazz &#8211; In for the BikeKill!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Katie &amp; Katie

THANKS!!

@Martin Cassini

Well put.  I think it&#039;s reasonable to have rules of the road so that when someone acts unsafely, there is a specific recourse.  But, when we rely on them as immutable guides to acceptable conduct then we = FAIL.

It&#039;s short format, high turnover, so these it&#039;s its&#039; mistakes happen.  I put that &quot;But, . . .&quot; ^^^ in just for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Katie &#038; Katie</p>
<p>THANKS!!</p>
<p>@Martin Cassini</p>
<p>Well put.  I think it&#8217;s reasonable to have rules of the road so that when someone acts unsafely, there is a specific recourse.  But, when we rely on them as immutable guides to acceptable conduct then we = FAIL.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s short format, high turnover, so these it&#8217;s its&#8217; mistakes happen.  I put that &#8220;But, . . .&#8221; ^^^ in just for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Cassini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Cassini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, despite your crap grammar (&quot;it&#039;s&quot; = &quot;it is&quot;), you do paint a good picture. The more complex the ballet of human movement the less useful are attempts to control it (spontaneous order). Traffic controls ignore our highly-evolved ability to negotiate movement. Who is the better judge of when or how fast it&#039;s safe to go - you and me at the time and the place, or remote lights and limits fixed by absent regulators? When given a choice, the vast majority act in a co-operative manner. Trouble is, the system deprives us of choice. It makes us obey artificial rights-of-way that negate civilised values and our instinct to co-operate. In the absence of priority rules and lights, e.g. when lights are out of action, or in NYC&#039;s critical street mass which you evoke - we do what is natural and safe: watch the road and filter (aka all-way yield). If the law is an ass, nowhere is it more asinine - and lethal - than on the road. More at FiT Roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, despite your crap grammar (&#8220;it&#8217;s&#8221; = &#8220;it is&#8221;), you do paint a good picture. The more complex the ballet of human movement the less useful are attempts to control it (spontaneous order). Traffic controls ignore our highly-evolved ability to negotiate movement. Who is the better judge of when or how fast it&#8217;s safe to go &#8211; you and me at the time and the place, or remote lights and limits fixed by absent regulators? When given a choice, the vast majority act in a co-operative manner. Trouble is, the system deprives us of choice. It makes us obey artificial rights-of-way that negate civilised values and our instinct to co-operate. In the absence of priority rules and lights, e.g. when lights are out of action, or in NYC&#8217;s critical street mass which you evoke &#8211; we do what is natural and safe: watch the road and filter (aka all-way yield). If the law is an ass, nowhere is it more asinine &#8211; and lethal &#8211; than on the road. More at FiT Roads.</p>
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		<title>By: katiepoche</title>
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		<dc:creator>katiepoche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You nailed it, you insightful freak of nature.</description>
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		<title>By: k. ricketts</title>
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		<dc:creator>k. ricketts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fun read. thanks! what&#039;s with the crazy energy in nyc?! it&#039;s awesome. so awesome i FELT it in this post.

nyc magic.
(shiver)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fun read. thanks! what&#8217;s with the crazy energy in nyc?! it&#8217;s awesome. so awesome i FELT it in this post.</p>
<p>nyc magic.<br />
(shiver)</p>
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