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	<title>Comments on: $30 million for two miles of bike path?  No thanks.</title>
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	<description>Cyclists have the right to travel safely and free of fear.</description>
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		<title>By: The Bike Path To Nowhere &#124; Westside Bikeside</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2801</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bike Path To Nowhere &#124; Westside Bikeside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rogers of BikingInLA supports the project.  He argues, &#8220;There is no local or state money at risk; this is simply a hail mary pass to the feds to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A little this, a little that — Dangerous intersections, Alta out, an endorsement and a miracle &#171; BikingInLA</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2800</link>
		<dc:creator>A little this, a little that — Dangerous intersections, Alta out, an endorsement and a miracle &#171; BikingInLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As you may have noticed over the past few days, Dr. Alex — the good Dr. Thompson — and I have disagreed about completing the Marvin Braude Bike Path by extending it a few miles [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2799</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fellas - it&#039;s very simple - if you want to get up PCH, propose an on-street solution.  It&#039;ll be 1/10th as expensive.  I&#039;ve ridden that stretch many times, and though scary, there are many other areas in equal need of attention, and with greater ridership.

This is as expensive as a road, and $30,000,000 round number price tag smells fishy.  It&#039;s disrespectful of real projects that have real benefits and are much less costly to put this porky proposal on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellas &#8211; it&#8217;s very simple &#8211; if you want to get up PCH, propose an on-street solution.  It&#8217;ll be 1/10th as expensive.  I&#8217;ve ridden that stretch many times, and though scary, there are many other areas in equal need of attention, and with greater ridership.</p>
<p>This is as expensive as a road, and $30,000,000 round number price tag smells fishy.  It&#8217;s disrespectful of real projects that have real benefits and are much less costly to put this porky proposal on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric B</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2798</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikinginla hit the nail on the head: this is the most dangerous part of accessing PCH for miles and miles and miles.  If it were a choice of this path or a city-wide network, of course I&#039;d support bike plan implementation.  However, that&#039;s not the choice before us.  As a PCH commuter, this is the stretch that determines whether or not I ride to work in Malibu.  If the council wants to show support for cycling (even primarily recreational) with this resolution, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikinginla hit the nail on the head: this is the most dangerous part of accessing PCH for miles and miles and miles.  If it were a choice of this path or a city-wide network, of course I&#8217;d support bike plan implementation.  However, that&#8217;s not the choice before us.  As a PCH commuter, this is the stretch that determines whether or not I ride to work in Malibu.  If the council wants to show support for cycling (even primarily recreational) with this resolution, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog Los Angeles &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2797</link>
		<dc:creator>Streetsblog Los Angeles &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Two Councilmen Pushing $30 Million, 2-Mile Bike Path Extension (Westside Bikeside) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Friendinator</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator>The Friendinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds to me like some rich whale found a way to increase their property value...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds to me like some rich whale found a way to increase their property value&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Much ado about almost nothing — the $30 million Bike Path extension &#171; BikingInLA</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2795</link>
		<dc:creator>Much ado about almost nothing — the $30 million Bike Path extension &#171; BikingInLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 07:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the esteemed — or in this case, steamed — Dr. Alex pointed out, $30 million dollars would pay for over 1,000 mikes of new bike lanes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the esteemed — or in this case, steamed — Dr. Alex pointed out, $30 million dollars would pay for over 1,000 mikes of new bike lanes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bikinginla</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2794</link>
		<dc:creator>bikinginla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have absolutely no problem with requesting these funds. There is no local or state money at risk; this is simply a hail mary pass to the feds to see if they will fund it. There are currently federal funds available for shovel ready projects; this project is already fully planned and ready to build if the funding becomes available.

The money they are requesting could not be used to fund neighborhood councils or balance the budget, nor does it mean that funding to build out the bike plan won&#039;t be available at a later date. Seems to me this is a total non-issue. If the funding is made available, great; if not, we&#039;re no worse off.

And the benefit of building this wouldn&#039;t be simply to see pretty scenery. It would allow cyclists to bypass an exceptionally dangerous section of PCH where they are currently forced to share a lane with cars traveling high speed, and open up access to wider sections of PCH for riders who aren&#039;t comfortable taking a lane under those conditions.

Yes, it has a high price tag. But long as there is no cost to the city, and it doesn&#039;t take away from future funding for on-street infrastructure, it doesn&#039;t hurt to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have absolutely no problem with requesting these funds. There is no local or state money at risk; this is simply a hail mary pass to the feds to see if they will fund it. There are currently federal funds available for shovel ready projects; this project is already fully planned and ready to build if the funding becomes available.</p>
<p>The money they are requesting could not be used to fund neighborhood councils or balance the budget, nor does it mean that funding to build out the bike plan won&#8217;t be available at a later date. Seems to me this is a total non-issue. If the funding is made available, great; if not, we&#8217;re no worse off.</p>
<p>And the benefit of building this wouldn&#8217;t be simply to see pretty scenery. It would allow cyclists to bypass an exceptionally dangerous section of PCH where they are currently forced to share a lane with cars traveling high speed, and open up access to wider sections of PCH for riders who aren&#8217;t comfortable taking a lane under those conditions.</p>
<p>Yes, it has a high price tag. But long as there is no cost to the city, and it doesn&#8217;t take away from future funding for on-street infrastructure, it doesn&#8217;t hurt to ask.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2793</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, let me agree... If I were the city and I had $30M in my pocket, then there are a multitude of better ways to spend that money making L.A. better for bikes. Yes.

but I read the situation a bit differently... from my reading, this is the city council endorsing lobbying the federal government to spend their federal money on this bike path.

The city motion doesn&#039;t say L.A. is going to spend our own money to build this project (that&#039;s a non-starter.) The motion as I read it is to support possible federal transportation funding to be allocated to L.A. to build this project. They&#039;re carving pork in Washington DC, and the city wants some federal transportation pork. I haven&#039;t done the research, but I would bet that So.Cal. legislators are also asking for that federal transportation money to go toward projects that I expect you and I think are shortsighted/wrong... stuff like widening and tunneling the 710 Freeway.

Federal money comes with a lot of administrative strings attached. The city has to do lengthy federal environmental review, etc. Because of those hurdles attached to fed $, the city of L.A. won&#039;t use fed $ for projects under $1M... so bike lanes, being very cheap, just don&#039;t need federal funding. And then the question becomes... what sort of transportation investments do we want locally that make sense to pay for with L.A.&#039;s share of federal transportation monies? The beach bike path has some flaws (the $30M price tag seems to indicate that it&#039;s going to be over-built - will it look like an elevated freeway?), but in my calculus, it&#039;s probably a better use of federal transportation dollars than most of the car-centric projects that I suspect would otherwise be on the city&#039;s list.

I don&#039;t mean to be gung-ho in favor of the beach bike path extension as a top priority for me or for C.I.C.L.E. ... but I would not be opposed to it being on the city&#039;s wish list for federal monies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, let me agree&#8230; If I were the city and I had $30M in my pocket, then there are a multitude of better ways to spend that money making L.A. better for bikes. Yes.</p>
<p>but I read the situation a bit differently&#8230; from my reading, this is the city council endorsing lobbying the federal government to spend their federal money on this bike path.</p>
<p>The city motion doesn&#8217;t say L.A. is going to spend our own money to build this project (that&#8217;s a non-starter.) The motion as I read it is to support possible federal transportation funding to be allocated to L.A. to build this project. They&#8217;re carving pork in Washington DC, and the city wants some federal transportation pork. I haven&#8217;t done the research, but I would bet that So.Cal. legislators are also asking for that federal transportation money to go toward projects that I expect you and I think are shortsighted/wrong&#8230; stuff like widening and tunneling the 710 Freeway.</p>
<p>Federal money comes with a lot of administrative strings attached. The city has to do lengthy federal environmental review, etc. Because of those hurdles attached to fed $, the city of L.A. won&#8217;t use fed $ for projects under $1M&#8230; so bike lanes, being very cheap, just don&#8217;t need federal funding. And then the question becomes&#8230; what sort of transportation investments do we want locally that make sense to pay for with L.A.&#8217;s share of federal transportation monies? The beach bike path has some flaws (the $30M price tag seems to indicate that it&#8217;s going to be over-built &#8211; will it look like an elevated freeway?), but in my calculus, it&#8217;s probably a better use of federal transportation dollars than most of the car-centric projects that I suspect would otherwise be on the city&#8217;s list.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be gung-ho in favor of the beach bike path extension as a top priority for me or for C.I.C.L.E. &#8230; but I would not be opposed to it being on the city&#8217;s wish list for federal monies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeshii</title>
		<link>http://www.bikesidela.org/30-million-for-two-miles-of-bike-path-no-thanks/comment-page-1/#comment-2792</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeshii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is my letter to Councilman Zine:

With regards to Council File 10-0002-S4, I would like to voice my opposition to the $30,000,000 2 mile bike path extension. I fully support bike path and lane plans, but this plan is too much money for too little benefit. The city draft bike plan quotes 1 mile of bike lane at $28,000. I would rather have 1000 miles of bike lanes throughout the city than 2 miles of path along the coast. Please, I urge you not to support such irresponsible use of our money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is my letter to Councilman Zine:</p>
<p>With regards to Council File 10-0002-S4, I would like to voice my opposition to the $30,000,000 2 mile bike path extension. I fully support bike path and lane plans, but this plan is too much money for too little benefit. The city draft bike plan quotes 1 mile of bike lane at $28,000. I would rather have 1000 miles of bike lanes throughout the city than 2 miles of path along the coast. Please, I urge you not to support such irresponsible use of our money.</p>
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		<title>By: soapboxla</title>
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		<dc:creator>soapboxla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And...of course...it will be designated as a trail, a Class I multi-use trail that comes with no legal protection for the cyclists. This will be a &quot;ride-at-your-own-risk&quot; recreation facility that the LADOT fought all the way to the State Appellate Court to clarify, come with no legal protection for the cyclist. (unlike streets which come with a performance standard and legal responsibility on the part of the host agency)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230;of course&#8230;it will be designated as a trail, a Class I multi-use trail that comes with no legal protection for the cyclists. This will be a &#8220;ride-at-your-own-risk&#8221; recreation facility that the LADOT fought all the way to the State Appellate Court to clarify, come with no legal protection for the cyclist. (unlike streets which come with a performance standard and legal responsibility on the part of the host agency)</p>
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